Wave 5: Harbingers of Triumph - FINAL

In the second post is what is on the table to start considering for now . . . sorry if I missed anything after trolling our topics.

This first post will be a placeholder for figures under serious consideration.

Examine the list below. Nominate your top 10 that you would like to see developed. I'm thinking we should go on the fast-track . . . minimal play-testing (we can judge most things pretty quickly). In my opinion, let's try to complete figures that have seen some discussion unless new units come up that are a must.

Thanks for having fun with me!

Here is what is on the table to start considering . . . sorry if I missed anything after trolling our topics.

Kai:
Kayla Willowsong, Ullar Elf Ranger
Varinn, Ullar Elf Ranger
Bearded Devil, Valkrill Demon
Owl Bear, Aquilla Totem
Mallekim, Utgar Djinn
Vurgoyles, Utgar or Valkrill unique squad or common hero
Phase Spider, Utgar Arachnid
Rakhalar the War Troll, Utgar Unique
Black Arrow Assassins, Valkill Unique Squad
Horned Demons, Valkrill Uncommon Hero
Sir Agronn, Einar Hero
Lion Guards, Einar Unique Squad
D&D Icons of Realms Starter Set, 6 figures
Malcar, Utgar Troll Champion
SoV Morgan, Sky Cavalier
Ring Wraith from Combat Hex, Shades help
Marine Soldiers, unique squad
Forest Drake
Bronze medium dragons
Solonavi Domineer, Mage Knight
DEVLIN SKYHAWK, Reaper Bones mini from a couple of x-mas ago
XAVIER LAWSON, Reaper Bones mini from a couple of x-mas ago
DELANDRIA, Reaper Bones mini from a couple of x-mas ago
ELLEN STONE, Reaper Bones mini from a couple of x-mas ago
UNA Jam Unique Hero or squad
War Troll from D&D War Drums
Minions of Utgar - (Barbarians) remod/repaint
Frostwolf
Wizard - Temple of the West
Mohican Shaman
Hush conversion
Unique Gnoll Archer mentioned in a Gnoll thread
Space Marines
Conrad Snowdyn
Minotaur
Awesome Dragon
Brute Hero

Derek:
Swift Draw/Mad Dog Hardin, Valkrill Outlaw
Kheir ed-Din/Kapudan Barbarossa, Utgar Pirate
Rattlesnake Reed, Utgar Outlaw
Quartermaster, Utgar Pirate
Tannerios, Utgar Minotaur
Canoneers/Cannon, Einar common squad/destructible object
Kamero/Ookami, Samurai/Wolf rebuild
Djinni, super cool pathfinder figure!!!
Cogs AT-43, Unique squad?
Ursula, Dwarf on Bear
Huge Dragon, Large Bones figure to be painted
Sudema help, Pathfinder mini
Wasp
Forge Unique Hero
Airborne Elite Repaints - Unique squads with a general/commander (Damon/Derek)
Tarn Viking Common Squad Repaints (Damon/Derek)

Damon: I haven't posted some of these figures yet (I've been brainstorming on my own)
Yalzochar Drider, Utgar Drow/Arachnid
Tearik Drako, Einar Drake
Marro Abomination repaint (thread started by Rook), Utgar Hivelord
Lea Roan/Argil - Jandar Scythian warrior
Cathar/Ascalon Calvary - Einar unique squad/hero
Severian, Einar Ascalon/Cathar hero
Thurbard and Thurbard mounted, Einar Ascalon/Cathar hero
Davion hero, the original figure for Micheal Davion
Icarian hero #3
Icarian hero #4
Blue Young Dragon
Mummies from the Adventurers Set, unique squad Sudema help
Egyptian from the Adventurers Set, unique hero

All those excellent heroes from the recent Iconic Pathfinders release. I haven't got my creative juices flowing yet, but most of them are awesome.

Oh, Kai can you sticky this thread?

Here is my "short list" of 20 figures for this wave. Yes, they are all unique. Do we do a full unique wave?!

Lea Roan/Argil - Jandar Scythian warrior
Yalzochar Drider, Utgar Drow/Arachnid
Tearik Drako, Einar Drake
Mummies from the Adventurers Set, unique squad Sudema help
HAYATO NAKAYAMA, HUMAN SAMURAI (Pathfinder - Iconic Heroes set)
REIKO, HUMAN NINJA (Pathfinder - Iconic Heroes set)
SELTYIEL, HALF-ELF MAGUS/DROW (Pathfinder - Iconic Heroes set)
Djinni, super cool pathfinder figure!!!
Swift Draw/Mad Dog Hardin, Valkrill Outlaw
Kheir ed-Din/Kapudan Barbarossa, Utgar Pirate
Rattlesnake Reed, Utgar Outlaw
Quartermaster, Utgar Pirate
Tannerios, Utgar Minotaur
Kayla Willowsong, Ullar Elf Ranger
Varinn, Ullar Elf Ranger
Bearded Devil, Valkrill Demon
Owl Bear, Aquilla Totem
Mallekim, Utgar Djinn
SoV Morgan, Sky Cavalier
Ring Wraith from Combat Hex, Shades help

Mostly done:
Kayla Willowsong, Ullar Elf Ranger
Varinn, Ullar Elf Ranger

Need some rewording/point-adjustment:
Sir Morgan, Sky Cavalier
Rakhalar the War Troll, Utgar Unique
Devlin Skyhawk (Lawmen), Reaper Bones mini from a couple of x-mas ago
Xavier Lawson (Champion?), Reaper Bones mini from a couple of x-mas ago
Delandria, Reaper Bones mini from a couple of x-mas ago
Ellen Stone (Cowboy/Lawmen), Reaper Bones mini from a couple of x-mas ago

I would love to get these figures play-tested, as I liked my original designs (especially Ellen Stone for the Lawmen), but they need a little work.


Need Powers/Development (but would prioritize my time):

Mallekim, Utgar Djinn
Horned Demons, Valkrill Uncommon Hero
Bronze medium dragons
Owl Bear, Aquilla Totem
Space Marine Soldiers, unique squad
Vurgoyles, Utgar or Valkrill unique squad or common hero
Lord of the Rings, Elf Archer (combat hex)


Need work:
Bearded Devil, Valkrill Demon
Phase Spider, Utgar Arachnid
Black Arrow Assassins, Valkill Unique Squad
Sir Agronn, Einar Hero
Lion Guards, Einar Unique Squad
Malcar, Utgar Troll Champion
Ring Wraith from Combat Hex, Shades help
Forest Drake
Solonavi Domineer, Mage Knight
UNA Jam Unique Hero or squad
Minions of Utgar - (Barbarians) remod/repaint
Frostwolf
Wizard - Temple of the West
Mohican Shaman
Hush conversion
Unique Gnoll Archer mentioned in a Gnoll thread
Conrad Snowdyn
Minotaur
Awesome Dragon
Hornskull Brute Hero

How do we want to proceed?

Some options:

1. Continue with the two-man crew of Nomad and Lord Kai here on Cryptic Alliance.
2. Continue with the two-man crew, but post our ideas for units Heroscapers to get feedback (open to public input, but we retain decision making).
3. Continue on Cryptic Alliance, but invite one or two others aboard (Dr.Groomonkey, Dysole, William99, or others).
4. Take it all to Heroscapers . . . become kind of like SoV, but with a panel that includes us from the NW.
5. Discontinue NWHC and post our designs separately on Heroscapers . . .

The reason for bringing this up is that I think it would be nice to have one or two other voices. Since Derek is not able to participate much . . . There are times that I really need creative input on figures (not that you haven't been doing that, just that other ideas would be good too). I noticed that you have kind of been doing that with the "customs from Kai" topic on HS.

There are other options that I haven't thought of, for sure. I really don't like option 4 or 5, or even 3. I would be kind of in favor of option 2. We could start a new topic where we post our units and ask for input . . . maybe even run polls every now and then. We would continue here for throwing out initial ideas, discussion, and then finalizing things.

Anyways. Please share your thoughts.

Nomad wrote:How do we want to proceed?

Some options:

1. Continue with the two-man crew of Nomad and Lord Kai here on Cryptic Alliance.
2. Continue with the two-man crew, but post our ideas for units Heroscapers to get feedback (open to public input, but we retain decision making).
3. Continue on Cryptic Alliance, but invite one or two others aboard (Dr.Groomonkey, Dysole, William99, or others).
4. Take it all to Heroscapers . . . become kind of like SoV, but with a panel that includes us from the NW.
5. Discontinue NWHC and post our designs separately on Heroscapers . . .

The reason for bringing this up is that I think it would be nice to have one or two other voices. Since Derek is not able to participate much . . . There are times that I really need creative input on figures (not that you haven't been doing that, just that other ideas would be good too). I noticed that you have kind of been doing that with the "customs from Kai" topic on HS.

There are other options that I haven't thought of, for sure. I really don't like option 4 or 5, or even 3. I would be kind of in favor of option 2. We could start a new topic where we post our units and ask for input . . . maybe even run polls every now and then. We would continue here for throwing out initial ideas, discussion, and then finalizing things.

Anyways. Please share your thoughts.

Well certainly NOT going with # 5.

# 2. is solid. I think we can do a Pre-NWHC's thread if we get stuck (sort of like Pre-SoV). Get some ideas from people, check wording, etc.

I'm getting less and less excited about the Heroscapers on Heroscapers.com. Too many clicks/sub-groups. I like our stuff - and think it is very high quality. I'm diving into other creative projects right now .. and less 'Scape. But it will always be a staple of my gaming diet : )

Some planning-ahead would help to get gaming/play-testing going. March 18th sounds like a fun 'just play' day. Maybe you can suggest a few play-test days after that.

I picked up two new figures for each of us.

https://i.servimg.com/u/f58/13/40/32/34/drowsw10.jpg


Yuuzhan Vong Jedi Hunter - 58
Legacy of the Force

Drow Elite Warrior - 006
Icons of the Realms: Monster Menagerie 2


They look pretty good up close and are good scale with Heroscape.  The Drow made me think of a "theme" for Wave 5:  Dark Elves vs Light Elves.  We'll have Varinn & Kayla for new elves and their power is "Alliance of the Elves."  Maybe there are two Drow we can make (this 'Elite Warrior' and the Drider) to add to the Drow faction.

Could also have a Law vs Chaos theme - since we have Outlaws & Cowboys in the works.

Option 2 sounds good to me. Let's talk at the Hero/Kai-scape day about next steps.

The figures look great. I have another Drow in the works as well.

Sorry guys I haven't been to involved. Hopefully i can get back into it a bit, but with kids busy and my other undertakings, I won't have the time I once did (for periods of time). I kind of like keeping it away from heroscapers for the design process. I think adding 1 guy wouldn't be a bad thing though- who I don't know. Or maybe Jacob could get more involved and I could make sure to participate at a weekly level. I really don't like the idea of forgoing/cutting back on play testing, that is part of what I thought made our customs better than most. There are a quite a few of our released figures I have to try out, which is okay (every time I try to set something up 200 figures come out from the bins, clean those up and the map is added to and 20 new figures are out ) I really do enjoy this and will make every effort to reassert some effort, but hopefully you guys will be okay with some slow down periods.

Thanks for chiming in, Derek. This is a super busy time for me too - getting Lazyman and the Hero/Kai event on 3/18 ready to go. I will return to commenting in a few weeks.

Kai and I are OK with getting design suggestions from Heroscapers. Not voting or having any real say in our final product or anything like that - just getting suggestions. In a way, we have already been doing this with some of the repaints and mods plus a few of Kai's figures. Nothing we get on Heroscapers would be binding or anything.

I would be fine with adding a new member to the team. The two Eugene area peeps seem too active with SoV and tend to comment on things on Heroscapers so often that I don't feel like I could keep up with them. Dr.Goomonkey from Marysville seems to have interest in our conversations and is starting to active in the custom field. If we did invite someone, my vote would be for Dr.Goomonkey.

Let me know your thoughts.

This seem close - some are done, some need slight tweaking, some need playtesting, while some are still in brainstorming. Let me know if I am missing anything. All Unique Wave.

Kapudan Barbaros - Einar, Pirate
Nathaniel Ward - Vydar, Quartermaster
Owl Spirit - Aquilla, Tribesman
Varinn - Ullar, Ranger
Kayla Willowsong - Ullar, Ranger
Borvund - Aquilla, Dwarf on bear
Quick Draw Hardin - Valkrill, Cowboy
Rattlesnake Reed - Utgar, Cowboy
Khorliss Scirh - Valkrill, Cultist
Cephalax - Aquilla, Scorpion
Tearik Drako - Einar, Drake
Kazumi Matsuko - Einar, Samurai
Kapta Jorn - Aquilla, Mariedian
Murazath - Utgar, Undead Duke
Corpse Tormentors - Vydar, Mummies
Hatamoto Jiro - Einar, Samurai
Mallekim - Utgar, Djin
Lea Roan - Jandar, Champion
Lea Argil - Jandar, Champion
Yazlochar - Utgar, Drider/Drow
Creterios - Utgar, Minotaur
Artillieurs du Loire - Einar, Cannoneers
Field Cannon

Brainstorming this release, names of the packs are just placeholders. The cards that I uploaded were completed 6-7 months ago, except for a few that I completed today (2/10/19). EDIT: I have added a comment with the stage of development (few = less than 5, many = 5 or more). The hotter the color, the closer to release.

Good Guy Heroes
Kapta Jorn - Aquilla, Mariedian - a few play tests
Kapudan Barbaros - Einar, Pirate - brainstorming
Varinn - Ullar, Ranger - a few play tests
Lea Roan - Jandar, Champion - many play tests
Lea Argil - Jandar, Champion - many play tests

Leaders and Cheerleaders
Yalzochar - Utgar, Drider/Drow - FINAL but need to settle on a name
Kayla Willowsong - Ullar, Ranger - a few play tests
Kazumi Matsuko - Einar, Samurai - many play tests
Hatamoto Jiro - Einar, Samurai - a few play tests
Murazath - Utgar, Undead Duke - FINAL

Bad Guy Heroes
Khorliss Scirh - Valkrill, Cultist - a few play tests
Mallekim - Utgar, Djin - many play tests
Quick Draw Hardin - Valkrill, Cowboy - a few play tests
Rattlesnake Reed - Utgar, Cowboy - FINAL
Nathaniel Ward - Vydar, Quartermaster - brainstorming

Cannoneers
Artillieurs du Loire - Einar, Cannoneers - brainstorming
Field Cannon - brainstorming

Special Release 1: Monsters of Aquilla and a Spider
Owl Spirit - Aquilla, Tribesman - brainstorming
Cephalax - Aquilla, Scorpion - a few play tests
Borvund - Aquilla, Dwarf on bear - brainstorming
Shelok - Utgar, Phase Spider - ready for play testing

Special Release 2: A Bull, a Drake, and Sum Mummies
Tearik Drako - Einar, Drake, many playtests - near final
Creterios - Utgar, Minotaur - a few play tests
Corpse Tormentors - Vydar, Mummies - many play tests

Edited the previous post with stage of development and fancy color-coding.

Here are my latest thoughts regarding Wave 5. Yes, these are all unique figures!

Einar/Aquilla Heroes
Kapudan Barbaros - Einar, Pirate - Play testing - still editing
Kazumi Matsuko - Einar, Samurai - FINAL
Hatamoto Jiro - Einar, Samurai - FINAL
Kookomawka - Aquilla, Tribesman - Play testing - still editing
Kapta Jorn - Aquilla, Mariedian - FINAL
Tearik Drako - Einar, Drake - FINAL

Jandar/Ullar Heroes
Varinn - Ullar, Ranger - FINAL
Lea Roan - Jandar, Champion - FINAL
Lea Argil - Jandar, Champion - FINAL
Kayla Willowsong - Ullar, Ranger - FINAL

Utgar Heroes
Yalzochar - Utgar, Drider/Drow - FINAL
Mallekim - Utgar, Djin - FINAL
Rattlesnake Reed - Utgar, Cowboy - FINAL
Murazath - Utgar, Undead Duke - FINAL
Creterios - Utgar, Minotaur - FINAL

Vydar/Valkrill
Khorliss Scirh - Valkrill, Cultist - FINAL
Quick Draw Hardin - Valkrill, Cowboy - FINAL
Corpse Tormentors - Vydar, Mummies - FINAL
Nathaniel Ward - Vydar, Quartermaster - Play testing - still editing


Figures listed in the previous post not appearing here have not picked up traction. I am thinking we can move them to Wave 6.

We have been working on these figures for a long, long time. Lea is the oldest of them all - brainstorming began six years ago!

Let me know what you think of the wave and pack titles.

Wave 5: Harbingers of Triumph

Heroes of the Banner
Hatamoto Jiro
Matsuko Kazumi
Kapudan Barbaros
Tearik Drako
Nathaniel Ward

Heroes of the Spike
Kayla Willowsong
Varinn
Kapta Jorn
Lea Roan
Lea Argil

Heroes of the Shadow
Quick Draw Hardin
Rattlesnake Reed
Yalzochar
Cretarios
Khorlis Scirh

Spirits and Mummies
Kooko-makwa
Corpse Tormentors
Mallekim
Murazath

Like the names and figure organization! Cant' believe we were working on some of these 3+ years ago.

Some have been in the works for 6 years!

names and packs look good.

If you all have any free time, think about putting together short bios for our Wave 5 figures. If you would rather not, I can put something together. Thanks.