Artillieurs Du Loire & Demi-Culverin Playtesting phase

This was a cool article on Civil War era artillery : )

http://www.civilwaracademy.com/civil-war-artillery.html

The article mentions that the cannon can fire at a range of up to a mile. How many hexes is that? : ) Not that 'Scape is realistic since Krav Maga pistols only fire 35 feet : P

Here are some new ideas:

Make the Cannon a species:  Field Artillery.  It shortens the name and lets us create a basic moving rule for Field Artillery (should we add more).

The Cannon is less effective without the ARTILLIEURS DU LOIRE.  

Also changes the order of Move/Attack.  Let's say there is a 3-person squad.  2 figures 'move' the cannon and the 3rd 'attacks' with it.  If you have a 4-person squad, 3 can move and 1 can shoot.  Or - 2 can move, 1 can shoot, and the other can attack normally.


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CANNON
Field Artillery Destructible Object

Life- 4
Defense- 4

FIELD ARTILLERY
Instead of moving and attacking normally, adjacent figures can move this Cannon. For each medium figure, move this cannon 1 space.  For each large or huge figure, move this Cannon 3 spaces.  Add 2 move if the cannon moves on road spaces.  The maximum move for a Cannon is 6 spaces. After moving, place all figures that contributed to its movement adjacent to this Cannon.


CANNON BLAST SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 10. LoB 8. Attack 2 or 4
Instead of attacking normally, an adjacent figure may attack with Cannon Blast Special Attack.  Choose a non-adjacent space up to 10 spaces away.  If that space is in clear sight, roll 4 attack dice.  If that space is not in clear sight, roll 2 attack dice.  Any figures occupying or adjacent to the targeted space are also affected by Cannon Blast Special Attack. Roll attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately. If a Destructible Object occupies the chosen space, add 1 automatic skull to whatever is rolled.

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ARTILLIEURS DU LOIRE
General: Einar
Species: Human
Common Squad
Class: Soldiers
Personality: Disciplined
Medium 5

Life: 1
Move: 5
Range: 1
Attack: 2
Defense: 3
70 Points

CANNONEERS
You may include one Cannon in your army with each squad of Artillieurs du Loire.

CANNON MASTERY
When moving Field Artillery, each Artillieurs du Loire activated adds 1 additional move to the Field Artillery piece.  

FIELD ARTILLERY EXPERTS
For each Artillieurs du Loire adjacent to a Field Artillery piece, add 1 to that Field Artillery’s defense value.  When Artillieurs du Loire attacks with Cannon Blast Special Attack, add 1 to the special attack and increase LoB to 16.

Good to see that we are moving with this design and figures! Both cards with powers in my recent proposal are taken straight from the last stats/powers proposed. I was just using that as a place to start and I am happy to move in any direction. Responses in red with in the following quotes.

Derek wrote:ARTILLIEURS DU LOIRE's card

1-I think I like inclusion of 1 Field artillery cannon per squad, and that they get the bonus of moving and attacking the same turn with Cannon blast SA (in case there is a cannon with the same attack). This was your idea, Derek. I like it too.
2- Artillery Experts, I am not so sure that this should be limited to just the Field artillery cannon, maybe just cannon blast in case another cannon is created with the same special. Yes, we can word it so that it works with any cannon blast special attack.


FIELD ARTILLERY CANNON
1- MOVABLE ARTILLERY -I am not sure this should be listed on the card, or listed in a rule book like the door being opened. Listed on the card means simplicity in gameplay. Rule book would clarify movement for all destructible weapons, open up space on the card, and be a whole lot clearer. It would have to change from destructible object, to moveable weapon or some other name, to get it separated in the rule sense.
HOSS created a rule book for weapons and destructible objects. I really don't want to go down that road, as discussed before, and would like to keep the game play simple and would prefer to keep it as a destructible object . . . my two cents. We can open up tons of space on the card! We can just use the back (make it double sided), which is what HOSS does. Put the generic stuff on the back (moveable, etc) and the powers specific to this cannon on the front.
2- like the Cannon blast rewording. Thanks, I didn't change much from your last suggested wording.
3- If we remove movable artillery from the card text, maybe add a 2nd power?
We can probably add a couple more powers/rules if we use the back of the card as well.

Kai wrote:
So a squad of 3 medium figures can move the Cannon 3 spaces?  3 spaces doesn't seem very far.  What about Road terrain bonus?  I assume that the Cannon will be on a peanut base, but I guess it could be on a large round base.
Those cannons are heavy and hard to move. I always pictured them being on a peanut base. I imagined most of the movement would be rotating the cannon. Figures get the road movement bonus, not objects (per the RttFF rulebook).

Maybe the Cannoneers add +1 move and +1 attack to the Cannon.  That would be a move of 4 spaces at least with a full squad. Sure, we can continue to brainstorm.

Kai wrote:I think that the base Attack should be at least greater than a shotgun blast from a Cowboy : )  How about 4 Attack?  The Cannoneers can maybe re-roll blanks on the attack.  Also, I think LoB 16 is too high.  This would allow an attack 'over' a basic castle wall (11 without a battlement) and certainly over a ruin (6 height), but that seems more like a mortar than an old-school cannon.
Sure, we can bump the attack. I would be hesitant to make it too powerful though - I would prefer keeping the Cannoneers points reasonable (less than 100). The Lob for the Airborne throwing grenades is 12. I just figured the cannon could shoot higher than that.

Can Cannons attack a 'space' within Line of Sight - and then all figures occupying and adjacent to the space are affected?  If the attacker does not have line of sight, the defender adds 1 defense die.
That is how I thought of the attack, yes. Adding a defense die if it does not have clear sight would be a good option, or decreasing the attack of the cannon by one.

Kai wrote:This was a cool article on Civil War era artillery : )

http://www.civilwaracademy.com/civil-war-artillery.html

The article mentions that the cannon can fire at a range of up to a mile. How many hexes is that? : ) Not that 'Scape is realistic since Krav Maga pistols only fire 35 feet : P
This cannon is a middle ages type cannon - not civil war (I did about an hour of research and found the exact type of cannon pictured). The cannoneers squad also seem to come from the late middle ages as well.

Per Kai's last post. Let's continue the brainstorming! I think we need to keep the name of FIELD ARTILLERY CANNON to distinguish it from other cannons if we ever include those in the future. By creating a card that utilizes both the front on the back of the destructible object, we will have more room to provide specific rules for each item around movement and attacks. I like the suggestions for the Cannon Blast Special Attack. We will have to discuss allowing non-cannoneers to be able to move and attack on the same turn. My understanding was that Derek wanted to have only the cannoneers to be able to do that and I kind of agree (to not make this too powerful).

Yeah this is still very much in brainstorming. Not opposed to using the back side of the card. By having a rulebook or FAQ sheet for DO'S I can envision it something like this
Card Power
Moveable 5

FAQ sheet or Rulebook
If an order marker is placed on an Army Card of a figure adjacent to a destructible Object with the Moveable power, instead of taking a turn with that figure(s) you may use Movable. For each Medium figure adjacent to this destructible Object with the Moveable power , this destructible object may be moved 1 space. For each Large or Huge figure adjacent to this destructible Object with the Moveable power , this destructible object may be moved 2 spaces, to a maximum of X spaces, where X is listed on the card. After moving this Cannon place all figures that contributed to the movement adjacent to this Cannon. If a figure cannot be placed adjacent to this Cannon after it's movement, that figure may not contribute to it's movement.


Kind of a generic rule set along the lines of what Ixe doing. Or we could do something like this
Front of the Destructible Object Card:
Moveable 5
(see back of card)
Back of Card:
where the movement rule of our destructible objects with the moveable power is listed.

here we can open up a whole lot of other ideas that visually would be pretty simple
Front of the Destructible Object Card
Draftable 30
Soldiers, pirates, (what ever else is appropriate) (see back of card).
Back of Card:
If you have a figure with this class you may draft this DO into your army for 30 pts.

I think once we figure out how we want to accomplish this we can start working on the design, stat, aspect. So I think here are some options:
1- Keep the Destructible Object card the same as Fortress Door and Breakable Wall. All special abilities be listed on card
a. front only
b. front and back
c. Use front of card for special powers and rule set "titles" that we have and use back of card to explain the rules of "titles"
d. Use front of card for special powers and rule set "titles" that we have and have rulebook or faq sheet to explain.

2- Deviate our Destructible Object cards from the Fortress Door and Breakable Wall.
a. Make it like a regular army card in layout (have species, class, personality, movement, attack, etc)
b. Make a modified version (like where Ixe was heading with his)

Let me know if there are any other versions that you can think of, I will contemplate a bit myself.

Of these choices so far I would be in favor of 1 c., as once you understand the rule set of movable, or draftable, or whatever, you wouldn't need to flip the card over during gameplay (much like we rarely have to reference the rule books any more.) This also would open up different possibilities in the simplest manner without creating a bunch of different rule books or faq sheets. A couple of things I would love to see are boats and siege towers. An example of a boats card.
Front
Movable on Water 8
(see back of Card)

Draftable 50
(see back of Card)

Jacobs Ladder
(See back of Card)

SHIP CANNON BLAST SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 10. Lob 16. Attack 2.
After revealing an Order Marker on an Army Card of a figure on the pilots chair, and using Movable on Water, for each figure adjacent to Ship Cannon you may use SHIP CANNON SPECIAL ATTACK. A figure may not be counted as adjacent to more than 1 Ship Cannon. Choose a space up to 10 spaces away in a straight line from this cannon's target point to attack. No clear line of sight is needed. Any figures adjacent to the targeted space are also affected by Cannon Blast Special Attack. Roll attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately. If a Destructible Object occupies the chosen space, add 1 automatic skull to whatever is rolled.

SINKABLE
If a Boat is destroyed all figures that occupy the Boat that do not have enough movement to reach land are destroyed. If a figure has enough movement to reach land, that figure receives 1 wound.

Any how, just thinking if we would get in trouble by having other DO's with the same format, but I think we could make it work.

Sorry for taking so long to respond to your very thoughtful post. It is a lot to digest.

I also agree with 1C. That seems like a simple solution. Whatever we decide, I would like to stay away from rule books and extra things to look up and try to find - they just make game play that much more challenging, in my opinion.

If the power can be listed on the front of the card and the description on the back (without a rule book, then I am good). But, slight nuance in power might mean more than slight nuances in powers. I would not mind just having the powers with text listed front to back of card . . . (at the end of the front side, include a "more powers on back"). Flipping a card over is a whole lost easier than looking for a rule book and thinking about how the slight nuance really is or isn't so slight . . . and a whole lot easier than creating a rule book.

My thoughts, anyways. Not sure if my desire for simpleness is coming across simply or not.

Boats, ship cannons, ladders . . . oh my.

FIELD ARTILLERY CANNON
DESTRUCTIBLE OBJECT

Life- 4
Defense- 5

DRAFTABLE 40
This Field Artillery Cannon may be drafted in to your army for 40 points.

MOVABLE 6 (5)
After revealing an order marker on an army card adjacent to this Field Artillery Cannon you may use Movable 6. For each friendly medium figure adjacent to this Field Artillery Cannon, this Field Artillery Cannon may be moved 1 space. For each large or huge friendly figure adjacent to this Field Artillery Cannon, this Field Artillery Cannon may be moved 2 spaces to a maximum of 6 (5) spaces. After using Movable 6, place all figures that contributed to this Field Artillery Cannon's movement adjacent to this Field Artillery Cannon. If a figure is unable to be placed adjacent to this Field Artillery Cannon, that figure may not contribute to movable 6.

CANNON BLAST SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 10. Lob 10. Attack 2 + special
After revealing an order marker on an army card adjacent to this Field Artillery Cannon, instead of attacking normally you may use Cannon Blast Special Attack. Choose a space to attack in a straight line from the back of this Field Artillery Cannon through the front. No clear line of site is needed. Any figures on the chosen space, or adjacent to the chosen space are affected by Cannon Blast Special attack. Roll 2 attack dice once for all affected figures, 3 attack dice if that space is in clear line of site. Each figure rolls defense dice seperately. If a Destructible Object occupies the chosen space, add 1 automatic skull to whatever is rolled.

CANNON SHRAPNEL
If this Field Artillery Cannon is destroyed, all adjacent figures receive 1 wound.

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ARTILLIEURS DU LOIRE
General: Einar
Species: Human
Common Squad
Class: Soldiers
Personality: Disciplined
Medium 5

Life: 1
Move: 5
Range: 1
Attack: 2
Defense: 3
45 Points

CANNON MASTERY
When moving a Cannon, each adjacent activated Artillieurs du Loire adds 1 additional move to the Cannon.

CANNON EXPERTS
For each Artillieurs du Loire adjacent to a Cannon, add 1 to that Cannon's defense value. When Artillieurs du Loire attacks with Cannon Blast Special Attack, add 2 to the range, 4 to the lob, and 1 to the attack.

Trying to sum up where we are at with this. I realize some of the powers are long winded, but wanted to make them as official and informational as possible to start with. Without a cannon the Artillieurs du Loire are not good so 45 pts might be high. The Field Artillery Cannon might be low at 40 pts, I am not sure if we should state that if there are no friendly figures that are not destructible objects left in your army, destroy this Field Artillery Cannon? or if the way movable is stated it implies that the opponent may use the cannon? Still a few details to work out I think. Let me know what you all think.

Hip-hip-hooray! Let's get moving on this. I would love to start play testing them soon. I will reread the thread and post more deliberate thoughts soon.

Very cool ideas!

I think the squad (Artillieurs du Loire) should just be 30 points.  They are about as tough as Nagrubs and they don't have bonding of any sort.  If they are 30 points and the Cannon is 40 - that is a 70 point, single Special Attack.  Less than Johnny Shotgun Sullivan but less maneuverable.

You've also made the Cannon able to be drafted by anyone, not just the Artillieurs du Loire so they should be cheap - since they only do one thing (sort of like terrain-based figures).

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For the Cannon - with a full squad of 3 - it moves a maximum of 3 spaces and will have trouble moving up elevations (like most double-spacers).

For moving, is it "After revealing an order marker on an army card adjacent to this Field Artillery Cannon .. "   Does this mean "After revealing an order marker on an army card [with at least one figure] adjacent to this Field Artillery Cannon ... " you may use Moveable?

What happens if I have 1 Blastatron next to the Cannon along with 4 Gladiatrons?  I reveal on the Blast - can the Blast + 4 Glads then move with the Cannon 5 spaces?  Or just the Blastatron?

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For play-testing, I'd love to see Zombies with Cannons!!!  You can move 6 Zombies adjacent to the Cannon pretty easily while other Zombies that were engaged are still attacking : )

I'd love to see the Cannon work with Kato and the Ashigaru but sounds like he'd need to be adjacent to the Cannon when his OM is revealed.

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We could always make it so only the Artillieurs can use the Cannon to avoid lots of questions/play-tests/broken combinations.

kai wrote:For moving, is it "After revealing an order marker on an army card adjacent to this Field Artillery Cannon .. " Does this mean "After revealing an order marker on an army card [with at least one figure] adjacent to this Field Artillery Cannon ... " you may use Moveable?

What happens if I have 1 Blastatron next to the Cannon along with 4 Gladiatrons? I reveal on the Blast - can the Blast + 4 Glads then move with the Cannon 5 spaces? Or just the Blastatron?

Yes on with at least one figure

On the 2nd question you would be able to use both the Blasty and Glady's, kind of giving the cannon a carry power, but would help with moving that cannon.

I like the idea of allowing anyone to draft the cannon into the army, especially for castle siege games. If the cannon has to be a bit more expensive to avoid broken combos I am okay with that. Maybe shorten range a bit or something, but the Airborne elite get 4 special attacks potentially and aren't broken. I think the biggest threat the cannon is going to have is against podding armies. I do think the cannon will take more than the average playtesting to dial in the points.

kai wrote:
For the Cannon - with a full squad of 3 - it moves a maximum of 3 spaces and will have trouble moving up elevations (like most double-spacers).

If it is the Artilleurs du Loire they could move it 6 spaces with an activated squad of 3. If you had 3 different Artilleurs by 3 different cannons you could activate and receive the bonus from 1 Artilleur by each cannon (thus moving 3 cannons) and add any additional movement help from other figures. I think there might need to be language in the Cannon attack that only 1 cannon can be used to attack with per turn (maybe even only 1 cannon can be moved) I am getting confused on what to do with this.

Nomad wrote:Hip-hip-hooray! Let's get moving on this. I would love to start play testing them soon. I will reread the thread and post more deliberate thoughts soon.

Soon? That was almost a year ago! Yikes.

I like the direction, but I fear potential theory-testing and play-testing with all figures in heroscape.

I am tending toward Kai's last statement:

Kai wrote:
We could always make it so only the Artillieurs can use the Cannon to avoid lots of questions/play-tests/broken combinations.

I am all for keeping it simpler. Even with just the Artillieurs, there is much to figure out. I prefer a self-contained unit being able to handle new weapons. My two-cents anyways.

My first effort on this card was over 2 years ago. I have updated it and tweaked some of the wording from Derek's last thoughts. Here it is . . . very much in draft form.

just bumping this as would like to get these guys completed.

Latest thoughts with naming the Cannon, exclusively making it work with the Artillieurs.  Thoughts on Movable, you reveal order marker, choose which 3 Artillieurs you are activating.  If they are by 3 different cannons you may move all 3 including bonus of other friendly Artillieurs adjacent to each cannon.  You may only include activated Artillieurs in adding to special attack, so if you move 3 different cannons each would have attacks of 3.  If you moved only 1 cannon with 3 adjacent Artillieurs you would have an attack of 5.  When choosing the space to attack it affects that space plus 3 more in the continued straight line for a max range of 11.  You could take 2 squads of Artillieurs for 60 points and add 1 cannon for 40 points if you choose to.  

Demi-Culverin
DESTRUCTIBLE OBJECT

Life- 4
Defense- 3


MOVABLE
After revealing an order marker on an Artillieurs Du Loire army card with at least one figure adjacent to this Demi-Culverin you may use Movable. For each friendly Artillieurs Du Loire adjacent to this Demi-Culverin, this Demi-Culverin may be moved 1 space. After using Movable, place all figures that contributed to this Demi-Culverin movement adjacent to this Demi-Culverin.  If a figure is unable to be placed adjacent to this Demi-Culverin, that figure may not contribute to movable.

CANNON BALL SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 8. Lob 10. Attack 2 + special
After revealing an order marker on an Artillieurs Du Loire army card with at least one figure adjacent to this Demi-Culverin , instead of attacking normally you may use Cannon Ball Special Attack. Choose a space to attack in a straight line from the back of this Field Artillery Cannon through the front, clear line of site is not needed. Any figures on the chosen space, or within 3 spaces continuing the straight line are affected by the Cannon Ball Special Attack. Roll 2 attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice seperately. If a Destructible Object occupies the chosen space, add 2 automatic skulls to whatever is rolled.


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ARTILLIEURS DU LOIRE
General: Einar
Species: Human
Common Squad
Class: Soldiers
Personality: Disciplined
Medium 5

Life: 1
Move: 5
Range: 1
Attack: 2
Defense: 3
30 Points

CANNON MASTERY
For each squad of Artillieurs Du Loire in your army you may add a Demi-Culverin Destructible Object for 40 additional points.

CANNON EXPERTS
For each Artillieurs du Loire adjacent to a Demi-Culverin, add 1 to that Demi-Culverins defense value to a maximum of +3. For each activated Artillieurs Du Loire this turn adjacent to a Demi-Culverin Destructible Object add 1 to that Demi-Culverins Cannon Ball Special Attack value.

I like the big ideas for your changes . . . getting up to three attacks of at least 3 and firing the cannon ball that rolls in a straight line instead of an explosion is probably better and more in line with what the cannons actually did. I am still crunching the numbers and theorizing how the move and attacks would work in combo. More later ...

Did a playtest yesterday with Nolan. Zelrig, Onyx Vipers, Artilleurs x 4, cannon x 3 vs Avernus, Boreos, Talingul, Augumo for 505 pts.

Dropped the defense of the cannon to 3 with a max bonus of +3. 1st round all 3 cannons moved up then a couple of turns with Zelrig. Round 2 Zelrig is destroyed by Avernus/Augumo attack losing 1 and 3 turns. Turn 2 was able to get a special attack off of 6 putting a couple wounds on Avernus. Round 3 moved one cannon forward, and then attacked with the other 2 on Avernus. 1 Artilleur was adjacent to both cannons so both cannons had attacks of 4 but was only able to put 1 wound on Avernus who was wall of flaming the Artilleurs and Cannons at 1/3 rate and then attacking for a kill on the Artilleurs while Augumo was taking out a couple with his special attack. The Artilleurs did manage an attack of 2 wounds on Talingul and brought Avernus down to 2 life, the EOV put a wound on Augumo as the blowout ended early round 4. The game was pretty much over after Zelrig lost 2 order markers. There were 2 cannons left on the battlefield- Do we need language addressing this? The cannons are hard to manuever but can position to get off attacks so I don't think they are too unreasonable at this point.

Awesome! Looking forward to having time to think about the next wave after this one gets released and the ARV competition is done. Sorry for not being contemplating these quite yet.

ONLY A WEAPON
If 1 or more Demi-Culverin are the only remaining figures in your army, destroy those Demi-Culverin.

Added this to Demi-Culverin for end game loophole, and changed class from soldier to cannoneer on Artillieurs de Loire.

Was thinking we could allow Demi-Culverin to work with Cannoneers, not just Artillieurs de Loire for possibilities down the road.(?)

Demi-Culverin
Cannon
DESTRUCTIBLE OBJECT

Life- 4
Defense- 3


MOVABLE
After revealing an order marker on an Artillieurs Du Loire Cannoneerarmy card with at least one figure adjacent to this Demi-Culverin you may use Movable. For each friendly Artillieurs Du Loire Cannoneer adjacent to this Demi-Culverin, this Demi-Culverin may be moved 1 space. After using Movable, place all figures that contributed to this Demi-Culverin movement adjacent to this Demi-Culverin.  If a figure is unable to be placed adjacent to this Demi-Culverin, that figure may not contribute to movable.

CANNON BALL SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 8. Lob 10. Attack 2 + special
After revealing an order marker on an Artillieurs Du Loire Cannoneer army card with at least one figure adjacent to this Demi-Culverin , instead of attacking normally you may use Cannon Ball Special Attack. Choose a space to attack in a straight line from the back of this Field Artillery Cannon through the front, clear line of site is not needed. Any figures on the chosen space, or within 3 spaces continuing the straight line are affected by the Cannon Ball Special Attack. Roll 2 attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice seperately. If a Destructible Object occupies the chosen space, add 2 automatic skulls to whatever is rolled.

ONLY A WEAPON?
For each Cannoneer squad in your army you may include a Demi-Culverin for 40 additional points.  If the Demi-Culverin is the only remaining figure ? you control on the battlefield, destroy all Demi-Culverins you control.

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ARTILLIEURS DU LOIRE
General: Einar
Species: Human
Common Squad
Class: SoldiersCannoneer
Personality: Disciplined
Medium 5

Life: 1
Move: 5
Range: 1
Attack: 2
Defense: 3
30 Points

CANNON MASTERY
For each squad of Artillieurs Du Loire in your army you may add a Demi-Culverin Destructible Object for 40 additional points.
For every 2 Artillieurs du Loire you control adjacent to a Cannon destructible object you may add 1 automatic shield to that Cannon Destructible Objects defense.  

CANNON EXPERTS
For each Artillieurs du Loire adjacent to a Demi-Culverin, add 1 to that Demi-Culverins defense value to a maximum of +3. For each activated Artillieurs Du Loire this turn adjacent to a Demi-Culverin Cannon Destructible Object add 1 to that Demi-Culverins Cannon Destructible ObjectsCannon Ball Special Attack value.

Trying to make it so the Demi-Culverin could be used with other Cannoneer squads, and the Artillieurs du Loire could use other cannons, not that I for see any in the near future, but.

Changes look good. Next step would be to continue play tests with rigorous discussion. Look forward to this unit!

The books and current wording has been added to OP.

Got in a couple of playtests, 4x Artillieurs Du Loire, 3 Demi-Culverin, Sonlen & Syvarris. Got trounced both games. The idea is they could act as a semi screen for Sonlen and Syvarris but that strategy did not work. They became real difficult to maneuver in tight quarters. Kind of underwhelming. I still don't think they are too far off. Maybe used with a screen and perhaps less Demi-Culverins to open points up? need to playtest this.

Derek S wrote:Got in a couple of playtests, 4x Artillieurs Du Loire, 3 Demi-Culverin, Sonlen & Syvarris.  Got trounced both games.  The idea is they could act as a semi screen for Sonlen and Syvarris but that strategy did not work.  They became real difficult to maneuver in tight quarters.  Kind of underwhelming.  I still don't think they are too far off.  Maybe used with a screen and perhaps less Demi-Culverins to open points up?  need to playtest this.

If you have more than one Cannon, could you allow all Cannons to fire for just one OM? Like a "barrage" or "broadside"?

If no Cannon's move, than all Cannons can fire?


Since a large portion of 'Squad-Scape' is Attacks-per-Order Marker - just one Special Attack per OM is pretty hard on a Cannon for competitive play. It makes them like a non-Bonding hero.

Yes, the way it currently works is you can move with 3 different cannons and attack with 3. You can only attack with Cannons that have activated Artillieur next to, thus getting a bonus. So if 3 Cannons were spread out and had 1 Artillieur next to it you get 3 attacks of 3. If an Artillieur is activated that is next to multiple cannons they would give bonus to each of those cannons. Hope that answers ?'s.

Yes, after the play tests the cannons did seem a little underwhelming. More play and discussion is needed, but they are close.

ARTILLIEURS DU LOIRE
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Artillieurs Du Loire & Demi-Culverin Playtesting phase RKH-GRFR01

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Figure: Confrontation Age of Ragnarok, Griffin Lion Cannon Set

General: Einar
Planet: Earth

Species: Human
Common Squad
Class: Cannoneer
Personality: Disciplined
Medium 5

Life: 1
Move: 5
Range: 1
Attack: 2
Defense: 3
30 Points

CANNON MASTERY
For every 2 Artillieurs du Loire you control adjacent to a Cannon destructible object you may add 1 automatic shield to that Cannon Destructible Objects defense.  

CANNON EXPERTS
For each activated Artillieurs Du Loire this turn adjacent to a Cannon Destructible Object add 1 to that Cannon Destructible Objects Special Attack value.

Demi-Culverin
Cannon
DESTRUCTIBLE OBJECT

Life- 4
Defense- 3

MOVABLE
After revealing an order marker on a Cannoneer army card with at least one figure adjacent to this Demi-Culverin you may use Movable. For each friendly Cannoneer adjacent to this Demi-Culverin, this Demi-Culverin may be moved 1 space. After using Movable, place all figures that contributed to this Demi-Culverin movement adjacent to this Demi-Culverin.  If a figure is unable to be placed adjacent to this Demi-Culverin, that figure may not contribute to movable.

CANNON BALL Shrapnel SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 8. Lob 10 15. Attack 2 + special
After revealing an order marker on a Cannoneer army card with at least one figure adjacent to this Demi-Culverin , instead of attacking normally you may use Cannon Shrapnel Special Attack. Choose a space to attack in a straight line from the back of this Field Artillery Cannon through the front, clear line of site is not needed. Any figures on the chosen space, or within 3 spaces continuing the straight line are affected by the Cannon Ball Special Attack. Roll 2 attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice seperately. If a Destructible Object occupies the chosen space, add 2 automatic skulls to whatever is rolled.

Cannon Shrapnel SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 8. Lob 15.  Attack 2 + special
After revealing an order marker on a Cannoneer army card with at least one figure adjacent to this Demi-Culverin, instead of attacking normally you may use Cannon Shrapnel Special Attack.  Choose a space to attack in a straight line from the back of this Field Artillery Cannon through the front, clear line of site is not needed.  Roll 2 attack dice once for the chosen space.  Any figures adjacent to the chosen space are also affected by Cannon Shrapnel Special Attack.  Each figure rolls defense dice separately.  If a Destructible Object occupies the chosen space, add 1 automatic skull to whatever is rolled.

ONLY A WEAPON? Cost of a Cannon
For each Cannoneer squad in your army you may include a Demi-Culverin for 40 additional points.  If the Demi-Culverin is the only remaining figure ? you control on the battlefield, destroy all Demi-Culverins you control.

A couple of changes, namely to Cannon Shrapnel Special Attack, as the straight line was very limiting.  Any thoughts?